Mad About Flat Earth

Wow do some people really get mad about flat earth. We first noticed this with feedback on facebook from friends. Then one of my wife’s family members accused her of being in a cult and said, “you can call and talk, but just don’t bring up that flat earth. I don’t want to hear about it anymore.”
We witnessed some turmoil in a marriage of a lay pastor and his wife, when we traveled to a town an hour and a half away. We had to travel that far to attend a church preached by a flat earth believer. We’re still praying for them.
Then I sent a message the that Steve ******** pastor on Youtube. He has a lot of good teaching on youtube. His stuff seems to be right-on. He proclaims his philosophy is to take the bible literally and, for the most part, that is what he does. I just can’t wrap my head around how he can be so opposed to flat earth, yet take the bible literally everywhere else. It just doesn’t make sense. I’ll probably never have an answer to that question, since the flat earth topic is now “off-limits” with his ministry. Since when is any subject off limits with a pastor, who is ordained to provide guidance in all areas of a person’s life? Maybe I am lost on this subject and need him to provide me with biblical proof that the earth is a ball. I’d love to hear that doctrine. I just don’t think a biblical argument can be presented. Thus, I am presented instead with anger.
I knew Steve’s stance on flat earth when I sent the following message (below). I just wanted to check whether he had rethought it.

 

On Feb 25, 2018 7:23 PM, Jon wrote:

Steve,

 
My wife and I greatly appreciate your work. You are a talented, intelligent man of God.
 
Much of my family live in your area, Therefore my wife and I spend much time in your area. We will make an effort to attend your church next time we are in town.
 
Anyway, though we did see your video describing flat earth as untruth, we would love to see you rethink that one. Have you?
 
Respectfully,
Jon
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 0:10, Steve’s staffer wrote:
Hi Jon,
 
He has not changed.
 
Chris ******
Proverbs 3:7
Assistant To Pastor ********

 

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Jon wrote:

Steve,

 

I had intended to send my previous message from my personal account, this account.

 
I read the scripture provided in your staff member’s reply to me below. Proverbs 3:7. Does that mean you (Steve) are trusting the Lord for the answer to the flat earth question and not leaning on your own understanding? Perhaps the Lord has spoken to you regarding this.
 
We appreciate your unapologetic,  literal approach to your bible teaching. We are captivated by your passion for the word. We have tremendous respect for your knowledge and intellect. We feel that your material on the internet is doing much good; shining a light among much darkness.
 
My wife and I will be visiting your church in the near future. Please keep in mind that we are real people and would treasure a reply from you, personally.
 
Thank you,
Jon
On Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 11:36:43 AM PST, Steve’s staffer wrote:
 
 
Hi Jon,

He has not CHANGED HIS POSITION. I promise you we will let you know if he ever does through our YouTube channel. Proverbs 3:7 is my signature verse. I send it on every email. Pastor Anderson is not searching, nor wants to talk to anyone who is a flat earth believer. If you want to visit us we have no problem with that. I will warn you that he WILL NOT TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE FLAT EARTH, NOR DOES HE LET PEOPLE COME IN AND SPREAD THAT GARBAGE. He will not talk to people about subjects he has already preached on. As you very well know he has made it clear in many sermons why he doesn’t believe in the flat earth theory. If you come here and we feel you are trying to cause confusion and contention we WILL REBUKE YOU SHARPLY AND THROW YOU OUT OF THE CHURCH IN FRONT OF EVERYONE.

God bless,

Bro. Chris ******
Psalm 84:11
Assistant To Pastor ********

 

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Jon wrote:

Chris,

 
Flat earth was not the primary reason for me contacting Steve. It was just a curiosity I had. My primary purpose was to provide him feedback and encouragement, which I clearly and thoughtfully expressed in my previous two messages.
 
I see this is a hot-button subject for your ministry. I had not expected that or any other subject would be off-limits. I will make no further mention of it. Also, I would never deliberately cause confusion; disrupt or undermine the message in anyone’s home, office, church, etc. That is his domain and I respect that.
 
Thank you so much for your reply and God bless you, Steve and your ministry.
On Tuesday, February 27, 2018, 1:19:07 PM, Steve’s staffer wrote:

Hi Jon,

Thanks for the heads up. Feel free to visit anytime. 
Bro. Chris

 


 

Beware of False Gospels

!!! Talk about a warning !!!
!! Beware of false Gospels !!

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast down to hell and delivered into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned with an overthrow, making an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed righteous soul from day to day with unlawful deeds;
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
For when they speak great swelling of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.”
2 Peter 2 King (KJV)

Deception is in Play

The Vigilant Christian cautiously watches for the great deception of the beast, meanwhile, believing news about landing on the moon, discovering new planets and concepts of gravity, vacuum of space and black holes.

He must then bend the bible in his mind, from the first paragraph onward, to make it fit with the heliocentric cosmology he has been taught since grade school.

His creative interpretation prepares him to twist words to his comfort when he finds passages in the bible which are discomforting. A practice develops to render the bible plausible in his mind, though void of truth in his heart. An impressive mastery of deceit has caused the Vigilant Christian to miss seeing that the great deception is already in play.

Humanimals

Flat earth fellowship
Humanimals – Flat Earth Fellowship

And you think I’m crazy? People who idolize the fictional mixing of animals with humans, creating images of man-like alien creatures and portraying them as real stories, are showing that man is just as corrupt today as they were in the days of old!
Genesis 6:4-5 says,
“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (KJV Bible notes these were the wicken fallen angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

God speaks His creation to action

Psalm 104:5-10

Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.

At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

 

Jon’s Facebook Reveal

The following was posted on Jon’s facebook on February 2, 2018.

The earth is flat, as described in the bible. All proof I have seen presented to affirm the global/heliocentric cosmology has been lies. I am excited about this revelation and I want to share it with everyone who knows me. My excitement is like when I first met my wife. You know how it is, when you first fall in love, you want to shout it from the roof tops. Though folks don’t really want to hear it, somehow that cloud-nine effect causes us to believe that people actually want to hear how in love we are. Well, that effect has me doing it again, so I am shouting from the roof tops, my recent metamorphosis, to anyone who is willing to spend a few minutes hearing.

My wife had been a “truther” for several years by the time the veil was lifted, which exposed the truth to me, in November of 2017. My story begins with both thanks and apology to my wife. For years I would reject, disregard and even mock her for her belief in conspiracies. That said, I came home from work one day and found her watching a video on flat earth. My first thought was, “Here we go, she’s gone off the deep-end now.” But you need to understand that I have been married to my wife for many years and over that time, as much as I hate to admit, she has proven me to be wrong and herself to be correct more often than not. So, I watched a video called “The Global Lie”. This is a video documentary by Robbie Davidson on his YouTube channel called “Celebrate Truth”.

Within one minute, I couldn’t believe I was actually hearing compelling evidence. I was intrigued, but definitely not on board. By the end of the video, I did, however, want to figure out how I could launch a high-altitude balloon with a GoPro and get proof for myself that I indeed still lived on a ball. I have to tell you, I was a bit rattled. “We must live on a ball”, I thought, “otherwise all my favorite Sci-Fi shows, like Star Trek and Star Wars are impossible fiction.” Knowing that they were indeed fiction, though hoping not impossible, my thoughts turned to non-fiction. “Well, what about the moon landings?” I asked. “What about the countless photographs of the Earth from the moon or from the ISS?”

I decided to take another look at the moon landing footage. When I did, I saw laughable spacemen, hopping and floating about, carelessly pulling doughnuts in their “moon-buggy” in the most dangerous place any person has ever been. I thought about the story that in 1961, we had never even been to space, JFK said we will put a man on the moon and we did so just eight years later. Yet, in nearly fifty years since, we have never been back. When I searched for answers on why that is, I found nonsense answers, like “too expensive” or “we lost the technology”. I now realized that the moon landing was a lie.

So, now that I see all this evidence of a massive lie, a giant concerted effort of deceit, an orchestra of lies involving the coordination of multiple individuals, organizations and governments, I was compelled to asked, “How and why would such a thing be?” Then my jaw dropped as I recalled an obscure little discussion I had as a child, with my grandmother, my mom’s mom. I always thought she was a bit off because she’d walk around praying out loud, constantly. Sometimes I thought she was babbling incoherently; I now think she was praying in tongues. She had a bible spread open on every table top in her house; a magnifying glass set atop. She made sure to stay in the word, though she couldn’t see well. She really made an effort. She was a real “bible nut”. It is perhaps profound that a person I thought to be a little bit strange might have brought me the most important information I ever have or ever will learn. She told me that Satan runs the world we live in. And now, as I see it all unfold before me, I can reason that, since he is the master of deceit then why wouldn’t the entire world be a lie.

In my moment of revelation, I saw Satan. Then I remembered Christ. Up to this moment, I had been given the exposure to Christ. I had thought I had done due diligence in accepting Him as my Lord and Savior. I’d been baptized. I was going through life, living in the world, with a “once saved, always saved” attitude. I was a drunkard, an idolater, a liar, an adulterer. I am not sure there was a commandment I did keep.

Now, I am truly born again, following this revelation of flat earth. My desire to engage in sinful behavior has been replaced with desire to share my faith in Jesus Christ as fact that has been revealed to me. I want everyone who knows me to have that same experience. For this reason, I developed a website devoted to sharing this information. The videos that solidified my belief can be accessed from the Links page. Scripture which affirms a flat, unmovable earth has been posted as blogs on the site. I encourage you to visit, leave a comment, and/or email me directly.

The Subtle Snares

 

    For all tables are full of vomit filthiness no place whom shall he teach knowledge and whom shall he make to understand doctrine weaned from the milk drawn from the breasts for precept upon precept precept upon precept line upon line line upon line here a little there a little

    For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people to whom he said this the rest may cause the weary to rest and this the refreshing yet they would not hear

    But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept precept upon precept line upon line line upon line here a little there a little that they might go and fall backward and be broken and snared and taken.

    Wherefore hear the word of the Lord ye scornful men that rule this people which is in Jerusalem because ye have said we have made a covenant with death and with hell are we at agreement when the overflowing scourge shall pass through it shall not come unto us for we have made lies our refuge and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

    Therefore thus saith the Lord God “Behold I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone a tried stone a precious corner a sure foundation he that believeth shall not make haste judgment also will I lay to the line and righteousness to the plummet and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies and the waters shall overflow the hiding place and your covenant with death shall be disannulled and your agreement with hell shall not stand when the overflowing scourge shall pass through then ye shall be trodden down by it from the time that it goeth forth it shall take you for morning by morning shall it pass over by day and by night and it shall be a vexation only understand the report”

    For the bed is shorter than that can stretch himself and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself for the Lord shall rise up as mount Perazim he shall be wroth as the valley of Gibeon that he may do his work his strange work and bring to pass his act his strange act now therefore be ye not mockers lest your bands be made strong for I have heard from the Lord God of hosts a consumption even determined upon the whole earth give ye ear and hear my voice hearken and hear my speech

Isaiah 28:8-23 King James Version (KJV with additions and punctuation removed)

Trumpets of Revelation

Revelation 8 talks about seven trumpets that will sound. Some people believe that all the signs discussed in Revelation, i.e. trumpets, viles, etc. will happen all in the space of some short period at the end of time. Dean Odle tells us that the bible doesn’t say that at all and that he believes five out of seven trumpets have already sounded. In-fact the next trumpet will be hard to miss, because it will be World War III. See Dean’s compelling video,